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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 6, 2011 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Dead played their best in NY!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-11-06.sbd.nawrocki.283.sbeok.shnf


Much like the recent Cotterrell Gym show I posted, this is another one of my favorite shows of the entire year, and one of the more under appreciated efforts of '77. The Truckin' will blow you away, or at least it should if your ears are properly adjusted. TMNS is one of the best versions of '77, in a year where every version was amazing. Other highlights include Half-Step, Jack Straw, Dupree's, Dire, Samson, NFA, and Wharf Rat.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 6, 2011 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

A blistering TMNS, and very good 1/2 Step. Sloppy at times, but Jer tears up a number of other tunes as well, including Wharf Rat and Truckin. I love this one, but have to admit it sounded just a bit ragged after listening to all that Eur 72. I guess that's gonna happen quite a bit going forward.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Nov 6, 2011 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

A Top Ten all time Mississippi Half Step and Truckin are you KIDDING ME! Fall off the stage, the floor, the planet good. Binghampton, who would have thought it...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Nov 6, 2011 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

perhaps the most inconsistent show of 77...lows include the worst scarlet>fire of the year and the highs include formidable versions of mississippi half step and truckin'...interesting show but 11-04 and 11-05 are better...

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Nov 6, 2011 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

upstate New York, in my opinion

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 6, 2011 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

This is an inconstant perfomance, with some rather sloppy and uninspired playing. Average at best for Fall of the year and a great example of how the shows of May 1977 are, for the most part, superior to those from the Autumn.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 6, 2011 5:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

you see mr. caboose, i told you your not alone. a lot of people find this show sloppy and boring compared to most efforts from '77.

mr. hucker, i agree this show is inconstant and rather sloppy at times, but i would hesitate to call the playing on any of the highlights i mentioned, "uninspired." perhaps this show isn't too exciting to you, but there are plenty of interesting things going on musically throughout the show, that i wouldn't call uninspired by any means.

and for what it's worth, i apologize for my overreaction the other day

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-11-07 01:23:08

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 6, 2011 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

No worries amigo, it's easy to get riled up in this cesspool!

Peace!

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 6, 2011 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

well thanks for being understanding. i honestly didn't expect that reaction. i'm sure my post wasn't the first time someone here was having a bad day and used the ia as means of venting a bit of frustration. i could have lashed out at anyone at that time. something incredibly shitty happened, and the tiniest little thing was going to set me off until i calmed myself down that day.

btw, are you another one of the metropolitan fans here? arb says you sent him a copy of "the bad guys won."

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 6, 2011 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Nope, I'm a die hard Yankee fan!

Looking forward to meeting you at the next NYC BYOB lunch get together!

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Nov 7, 2011 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

yeah baby !!

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 6, 2011 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

"Nope, I'm a die hard Yankee fan!"

well fuck you and all the success you've gotten to enjoy over the years!


i like your insistence on a byob place. due to some unfortunate and unlucky legal circumstances in recent years, i am greatly in debt at the moment and surely don't want to be spending $30 or so just on drinks, which is approximately what i usually spend on drinks when i go out. hopefully i can make the next one. the job i'm working at the moment, very often calls me in with less than 24 hours notice, but i may be able to make an exception.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 6, 2011 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Sorry, don't mean to burst your bubble but I personally find this show to be the most overrated from 1977. The first set has some fine moments - the Half Step is very strong, though I disagree with those who suggest it's the best ever; Englishtown (9/3) and Boston (5/7) are clearly superior. The TMNS, however, could easily make the argument for greatest ever, and is also my personal favorite - it is by far my favorite part of this show.

The second set, though, totally falls flat for me, and is devoid of inspired moments - the Truckin' is certainly good but I personally just don't hear what makes it one of the best; I think 11/2 (Dick's Picks 34), for example, blows this Truckin' away.

The show, as noted, is sloppy in places too, which is usually not too big a deal for me (I mean, I do love 1969 after all) but in a year of such laser-precise playing it's a bit of a turn off. Again, this is all just imho, and I sure many will disagree...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-11-06 22:40:25

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 6, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

heh, i was waiting for you to chime in. i noticed your review of the show in the link i posted. to me, the truckin' is what makes this show so special. i agree that this show is as a whole isn't nearly as tight as most shows from '77, but i find the playing to be unique, and even when they sound a little sloppy, i tend to like the directions they push things in. it's one of the shows where i can't explain why i like to well. it just has a certain quality to it that many other shows from the year are lacking. one of my go-to versions of tmns when i need to rock out.

"Again, this is all just imho, and I sure many will disagree"

i think there's plenty who would agree with you. your reasons for not liking this one to much are pretty valid.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 6, 2011 10:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Ya, this one seems to be a bit controversial; there are a lot of folks who's opinion I respect (including yours) who both love and don't love this show. It's all pretty subjective in the end. One thing I will say is that I would rather have a sloppy show that pushed the limits, than a precise, but safe and boring show - one reason I love the early years so much.

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Nov 7, 2011 12:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

I always used to love this show from the days I got it on cassette. It sounded good (as a recording) and that was always important to enjoy a tape. Plus one of my friends used this tape to make up a catch-phrase when everything was really excellent, or he was feeling really happy and well, he said he was "Broomeing", except he pronounced it brome - ing. Don't know why, but I think he heard from someone that's how the place was pronounced.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 7, 2011 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

The overall show is debatable (there is some sloppy play amid all the energy) but I will maintain now and until Kingdom Come that the HALF STEP from this show is hands-down, by a country mile, and without any doubt the GREATEST the band ever played.

(No, Boston Garden 5/7 is NOT better. It is wonderful, but does not contain the exclamation point perfect-landings out of TWO monster jams that 11/6/77 does.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 7, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Hey GC--serious question for ya: amid the discussions of the latter 70s (my "time" with them; Bay Area shows only), and then SDH and I discussing "gems vs clunkers" (notion that this really picks up later in the lifetime of the DEAD, duh, of course), I keep coming back to my view, at the time, that a week run at Winterland was viewed as very consistent. EG, the Oct 78 run, or spring 77, and that I never thought a show was a "clunker". We would view shows as largely interchangeable, and thus it never mattered if you personally went to the first and last night, and friend X, went to two of the mid-week shows of a run, if you follow. At most you'd say "ah, but you missed song x that they hadn't played for six months" or some such.

You are perhaps most familiar with this time frame, and though I get one can discuss "best version of song X, poor version of song Y" for a show like you are doing for this one, BUT overall, would YOU agree that this "era" (77+/- 2 yrs) was largely a very consistent time for the DEAD?

Perhaps I was all wet at the time; so now, listening to songs repeatedly from shows of this span, do you agree with what I assume is the perceived wisdom that they were generally "on" night in and night out?

It's partially motivated by the folks noting that Eur72 Trunk shows are largely similar, largely all "on", and yet, I'd have said the same thing about the shows I went to 5 yrs later as well.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 7, 2011 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Hey Mr. tell,

Good question indeed and I would say you've hit the nail on the head for 1977 at least--and why it's my favorite single year of Dead--and that is b/c of its CONSISTENCY. You could use a run of shows like Winterland 6/7-9 as a great example, but why not the entire month of MAY? There is not a single show in that month that is not recommendable...all consistently excellent...and while you may not find remarkable differences in, say, a Scarlet>Fire from 5/4 to 5/8 to 5/25, all three are prime pairings.

I look at 1978 much differently, though. It seems to me the band was coming off this year of great consistency and asking themselves 'what do we now?', and finding the answer in trying to push the rock and roll envelope a little further. The 6/4/78 show is a good example--very raucous, high octane, and there are other shows throughout the year like that (Red Rocks in July), the DP release in Feb.--but I also start to see more mistakes and some sloppiness in some of the 1978 performances--as if they traded consistency for energy but lost some precision in the process. (The April run of shows may be an exception, but beyond that, some '78's are hit/miss).

I would also agree with 1972 having its place as a model of consistency. The more I hear shows from this year the more it reminds me of '77. It's just nearly impossible to find a "bad" show or an off night. The difference to me (and why '77 is still my #1 year) is that there is a greater breadth of material in '77 w/the Terrapin songs in addition to many of the faves from 1972--which have been largely improved upon (i.e. spin a Jack Straw from 10/29/77 and any one from '72 and tell me 10/29 doesn't blow it away--b/c they've expanded the jam section.)

Obviously you could make the counter argument that they cut down tunes from '72 --like the 30 minute PITB's) in exchange for sandwich PITB's in '77, but you're still getting some interesting jams of those songs in '77, while the first set material from '72 is now more complex and interesting.

Either way I would pick '72 and '77 as the most consistent years of great shows, and they are my 2 favorite years, not surprisingly.

Hope that answers your question--if I missed the point, do "tell." (sorry..I'm on a pun a day policy)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 7, 2011 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

Nope; spot on...and yeah, by 78 I was seeing them less and less, and defn so in 79-82 (only saw the Xmas--NYE shows those last few), and thus I may not have detected the shift then. Believe it or not, I was such a "blind fan" of epic proportions I didn't even notice the switch to Brent (well, okay...but didn't change my view of them).

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 7, 2011 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1977: Broome County Arena, Binghamton, NY

I've always liked this show, partly for personal reasons not entirely related to the quality of the playing. I don't think it holds up *as an entire show* to the top shows of the year, but I *do* think the rowdy but right first set is one of the year's best. Also, I agree with those who say this Half-Step is a contender for best-ever version. Even the Tennessee Jed- a tune I am normally indifferent toward - is very energetic and enjoyable here.

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